sushis ([info]sushis) wrote,
@ 2008-09-29 11:32:00
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Entry tags:donnie davies, fandom, lgbt issues, not a book, religion

So, Clay Aiken, of whom I knew absolutely nothing but his name and the fact that he has something to do with "American Idol," (I don't watch it, because I detest the kind of music it centers on) came out as gay in "People" the other day. He has a bunch of fans who are shocked, hurt, and dismayed by this. I was confused why anyone would react this way, until I read that Clay, like many of his fans, is a born again Christian.

I really want to know what Donnie Davies thinks about this.



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[info]wihst3dimpnity
2008-09-29 04:10 pm UTC (link)
Does born again means something specifically ?

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[info]sushis
2008-09-29 04:21 pm UTC (link)
It means newly-converted, but it implies newly-converted to a conservative fundamentalist or evangelical Christian sect. I think it's probably also inaccurately used also simply to mean *any* conservative fundamentalist Christian.

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[info]wihst3dimpnity
2008-09-29 04:30 pm UTC (link)
Now i understand why it's such a big deal that he's gay lol

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[info]d_willrobinson
2008-09-29 05:14 pm UTC (link)
One only has to die to be born again.

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[info]sushis
2008-09-29 05:20 pm UTC (link)
What?

It's true that, speaking literally, it's necessary to die in order to be born again, but, I have no idea how this relates to Clay Aiken. And, since [info]wihst3dimpnity isn't a native English speaker, I'm concerned that she may think that she's confused because she's not a native English speaker, when in fact she's confused because you're not making any sense.

eta: I hope that didn't sound angry; I'm just really confused as to what you're saying. But, I do like that icon.

Edited at 2008-09-29 05:22 pm UTC

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[info]wihst3dimpnity
2008-09-29 05:50 pm UTC (link)
En général, si je ne comprends pas quelque chose ET que ça vient d'une personne que je ne connais pas, je n'y porte aucune attention ;) A mon avis, il a voulu faire de l'humour étant donné que c'est vrai que c'est ce que signifie Born again. Ou il a pensé que je suis idiote car comme tu lui as dis, il ne s'est peut-être pas douté que je suis française !

For d_willrobinson, I knew what born again means, it's just that i didn't understood the concept of the sentence in this particular story but i noticed that it was the 'key fact' of the story so i asked what it means so i would understand the story and i did :p

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[info]sushis
2008-09-29 06:03 pm UTC (link)
D'Accord, c'etait l'humour, mais je ne comprenait pas cette instance d'humour, et ca me (comment dit-on "annoyed"?)

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[info]wihst3dimpnity
2008-09-29 06:11 pm UTC (link)
ennuyé :) ça m'a ennuyé (passé)... ou ça m'ennuie (présent)

Je comprends lol mais t'enerves pas pour ça <3

edit: J'aime ça qu'on parle français et que personne ne comprenne, je me sens privilégié :p

Edited at 2008-09-29 06:12 pm UTC

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[info]sushis
2008-09-29 06:26 pm UTC (link)
Mais, mon f-list est plein des gens tres sophistiques.

On ne sais pas qui parle francais ou non.

Je test: Bonjour, liste des amis. Je t'aime plus que je sais dire. Je desire te prendre dans mes bras et tu rendre un baisser sur la bouche, avec lange.

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(no subject) - [info]neraulia, 2008-09-29 06:38 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 06:45 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]neraulia, 2008-09-29 06:51 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 07:29 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]neraulia, 2008-09-29 07:49 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 07:53 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]neraulia, 2008-09-29 08:03 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 08:22 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]neraulia, 2008-09-29 08:29 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 08:42 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]d_willrobinson, 2008-09-29 06:51 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 07:37 pm UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]neraulia, 2008-09-29 06:52 pm UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 06:42 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]sushis, 2008-09-29 07:00 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 07:33 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]d_willrobinson, 2008-09-29 06:42 pm UTC (Expand)
slow on the uptake - please send coffee - [info]neraulia, 2008-09-29 07:51 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]fifth_head, 2008-09-29 07:52 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 07:55 pm UTC (Expand)
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(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 08:44 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]fifth_head, 2008-09-29 08:54 pm UTC (Expand)
multilingual figures of speech, my favorite - [info]neraulia, 2008-09-29 08:08 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: multilingual figures of speech, my favorite - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 08:23 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]d_willrobinson
2008-09-29 06:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry, my comment was not directed at your lack of understanding in any way. I didn't realize that English wasn't your mother tongue, as you write quite well.

My experience with "Born Agains" is not so good, hence a disrespectful remark which was directed toward them, not you.

Sorry for any misunderstanding.

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[info]wihst3dimpnity
2008-09-29 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Heh it's ok, don't worry ;)

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[info]d_willrobinson
2008-09-29 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Tres bien.

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(no subject) - [info]wihst3dimpnity, 2008-09-29 07:34 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]babyblooz
2008-09-29 07:44 pm UTC (link)
I can't believe I just wasted the last 20 seconds scrolling through comments I couldn't even understand!

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[info]sushis
2008-09-29 07:53 pm UTC (link)
You didn't miss much.

Just me propositioning my entire f-list, and a graphic representation of an orgy.

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[info]babyblooz
2008-09-29 07:58 pm UTC (link)
And I missed it?! ~kri~

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[info]wihst3dimpnity
2008-09-29 08:28 pm UTC (link)
http://sushis.livejournal.com/498976.html?thread=1471264#t1471264 :)

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[info]babyblooz
2008-09-29 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Still can't read it.. LOL

I no speaka.

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[info]wihst3dimpnity
2008-09-29 08:45 pm UTC (link)
That's the orgy:

:p:pq::p:pq:

xD

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(no subject) - [info]babyblooz, 2008-09-29 10:28 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]sushis
2008-09-29 08:49 pm UTC (link)
If :p is equal to "I stick my tongue out" then go from there...

(edited because I accidentally used a non-ridiculous icon before)

Edited at 2008-09-29 08:50 pm UTC

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[info]babyblooz
2008-09-29 07:46 pm UTC (link)
Oh- and about Clay Aiken-

I find it totally LMFAOable that he even *needed* to come out. Everyone knows the dude is gay.. c'mon.

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[info]sushis
2008-09-29 07:56 pm UTC (link)
The entire world, excluding batshit fundamentalist Clay Aiken fans, agrees with you.

Edited at 2008-09-29 07:56 pm UTC

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[info]fifth_head
2008-09-29 08:55 pm UTC (link)
ZOMG!!! Clay Aiken has caught Teh GAY! :P

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[info]radiumhead
2008-09-29 11:47 pm UTC (link)
He is like the 21st century Liberace.

Anyone who didn't already know he's gay is mentally retarded.

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[info]d_willrobinson
2008-09-30 01:15 am UTC (link)
I'm thinking Liberace had a bit more talent, but your point is the same.

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[info]dogessurrender
2008-10-02 04:38 am UTC (link)
All born-again Christians are gay. It's just a stopgap on the way to coming out.

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